Is there any open source tv focused os/ui?
from pineapple@lemmy.ml to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 16 Jun 02:48
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Yes I know about kodi but I have a few issues with that for one it has a pretty outdated ui but this is not a deal breaker for me but it also doesn’t allow the opening of other applications like Netflix or jellyfin etc, you have to install a compatible plugin.

Are there any gnu/Linux desktop environments that are optimised for a home theatre time situation to be used with a remote or game controller? At the moment I will probably just use gnome or kde but it doesn’t work well at all with remote or game controller.

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hendrik@palaver.p3x.de on 16 Jun 02:57 next collapse

https://plasma-bigscreen.org/ from KDE? I'm not sure if they've replaced that since. Wikipedia says it's unmaintained. Depending on your use-case, you might want to have a look at Emulationstation, Steam Big Picture and Kodi Plugins, as well.

impolite7537@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jun 04:05 next collapse

They have picked Plasma Bigscreen back up but it’s not available for public use currently.

pirat@lemmy.world on 16 Jun 04:22 next collapse

Some files on Plasma Bigscreen’s Gitlab were updated 2-3 days ago, so I think it’s still being maintained.

On the other hand, the Emulationstation website reads:

This website is for the original EmulationStation, last updated in 2015!

Without having tried it, I think ES-DE may be a better choice nowadays, since that one seems to be maintained.

RetroDECK bundles ES-DE with relevant tools and emulators if you want to use it for emulation of games.

hendrik@palaver.p3x.de on 16 Jun 04:32 collapse

Thanks! I've updated the link. I always just use Batocera or something like that, which has Emulationstation and Kodi set up for me. So I don't pay a lot of attention to the included projects and their development state...

I didn't include this, since OP wasn't mentioning retro-gaming. But Batocera, Recalbox, Lakka, RetroPie are quite nice. I picked one which includes both Kodi and Emulationstation and I can switch between the interfaces with the gamecontroller. I get all the TV and streaming stuff in Kodi, and Emulationstaation launches the games. And I believe it can do Flatpaks and other applications as well.

pineapple@lemmy.ml on 20 Jun 19:04 collapse

Dude! plasma big screen is exactly what I was looking for. I hope it is available for public use reasonably soon. In the meantime does steam big picture work for other apps like jellyfin?

LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz on 16 Jun 02:58 next collapse

Steam Big Picture Mode allows you to install non steam apps.

Dunstabzugshaubitze@feddit.org on 16 Jun 03:03 next collapse

libreELEC, but that’s just a distribution shipping kodi.

you might be able to utilize steam big picture/steamOS with different browser shortcuts and applications added as non-steam games to open streaming services in kiosk mode or other mediaplayers , that way you’d have good controller support, if you create control schemes for various things.

slurp@programming.dev on 16 Jun 03:32 next collapse

There are a few things about Kodi that might help:

  1. There are themes thay completely change the UI, so it doesn’t have to be outdated. I use Arctic: Zephyr – Reloaded and it is much better, though I did change the noises to something else.
  2. The Jellyfin plugin works pretty seamlessly if you set up the UI correctly. I only use Kodi for Jellyfin and it acts as if it’s all local files, other than the occasional syncing notice.

However, I feel you on Netflix, YouTube, etc. - it is not ideal. I ended up either logging into a separate partition or moving to a Chromecast for those things. I’d love an all-in-one solution but I haven’t managed to find one that I’d be happy with.

slurp@programming.dev on 16 Jun 03:33 collapse

I’ll note that I use LibreELEC as that handles HDR (I couldn’t get other Kodi installs working with HDR)

AbidanYre@lemmy.world on 16 Jun 04:08 next collapse

MythTV is the OG.

neidu3@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jun 04:52 next collapse

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funkajunk@lemmy.world on 16 Jun 05:04 next collapse

Super helpful

neidu3@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jun 10:51 collapse

Thank you. I help where I can.

pineapple@lemmy.ml on 20 Jun 19:00 collapse

Sorry, I don’t get the joke?

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jun 05:46 next collapse

Honestly, none that are all that great. I tried Kodi in various forms, LibreElec, OSMC, MythTV, Steam Big Picture, and KDE TV (or whatever its called), but you’re just never going to get a great experience with stuff like Netflix and YouTube on Linux.

In the end, I bought myself an Nvidia Shield, switched out the launcher for one without ads, installed Smart Tube Next for ad-free YouTube, and I couldn’t be happier with the results. I’ve got my apps for Nebula and Dropout. I’ve got Kodi and Jellyfin for my home library. It has barely any power consumption, it boots fast, it runs a huge variety of emulators, the included remote works great (plus there’s a remote app for your phone that controls the entire system), and the wife acceptance factor is exceptional.

I’m really big on self-hosting and building all my own stuff; I use lots of repurposed hardware salvaged from companies I and my friends work at and I try to avoid off the shelf products. But I’m genuinely kicking myself for not buying a Shield sooner. It really is the best TV solution for a self hoster.

hanrahan@slrpnk.net on 16 Jun 22:59 collapse

I have one as well (own launcher aa well) but the perennial “when in heck will they update it” becomes an issue. It is getting old now. I use Kodi and YT Next mostly but supplemnt that with some local Australia FTA TV apps (ABC and SBS). I mean where else can we get such awesome TV as “Black As”

haulyard@lemmy.world on 16 Jun 06:07 next collapse

Don’t have any recent experience to help you, but your question reminded me of Boxee and I had a little flash back to a simpler time.

greybeard@feddit.online on 16 Jun 18:30 collapse

That's what it was called! I remembered the program a few weeks ago but couldn't for the life of me recall the name.

elmicha@feddit.org on 16 Jun 06:51 next collapse

There are also some SAT receivers that run Linux, see e.g. www.opena.tv/app.php/atv_images

ItTakesTwo@feddit.org on 16 Jun 07:05 next collapse

Not a fully fledged DE but might be enough for your usecase: Flex-Launcher

PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jun 07:40 next collapse

I went down this rabbit hole about a year ago, and didn’t have much luck. In the end, the best results I was able to get were from Steam’s Big Picture Mode on a Windows device, mostly launching Firefox (might have been Chrome?) with different launch arguments to immitate a smart TV.

Most available software either doesn’t support Linux well, doesn’t support streaming services and outside software, or doesn’t support non-kb&m input methods. You can get two, but never all three. You could try SteamOS, now that its out, but unfortunately my hopes wouldn’t be high for it to have all the apps you needs functioning.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 16 Jun 08:24 next collapse

Kodi

carloshr@feddit.cl on 16 Jun 08:29 next collapse

What about android TV?

rezz@lemmy.world on 16 Jun 09:55 next collapse

Buy an LG Smart TV and use the WebOS version of Jellyfin. That’s the best I’ve achieved.

Cyber@feddit.uk on 16 Jun 10:53 next collapse

MythTV - as others have already mentioned. It’s designed to work with the 10’ interface

Even records TV programs (presuming you have tuner hardware of course) - which I don’t think the others can do?

We don’t stream Netflix, but we do watch other various streams (ie BBC iPlayer), yoochoob, etc - all works fine, inc… video files from various sources, and music…

We use it with a Logitech K400 wireless keyboard and it works great for us.

I have played with a more traditional looking TV wand remote in the past, but you still need a keyboard to type in program websites, names, etc. so the K400 became our defacto remote.

MythTV used to come with Ubuntu as Mythbuntu back in the day, but most of the pre-installed distros have fallen away, so you’d need to pick a distro and install it yourself.

It’s a very mature application, so you won’t need to keep updating every time you want to watch anything.

nfms@lemmy.ml on 16 Jun 11:09 next collapse

konstakang.com/devices/rpi4/LineageOS20-ATV/

Maybe this might be something to consider

bradhd@programming.dev on 16 Jun 20:10 next collapse

I’ve tried a couple of setups including LibreELEC on a Raspberry Pi and self-compiled Plasma Bigscreen on x86, but my current and favourite setup is just stock Plasma with some configuration.

  • First, get yourself a cheap “air mouse” remote. I have a WeChip brand one, works like a remote control crossed with a Wiimote, with a little keyboard on the back. There’s a handful of different brands, a quick search on Amazon will show a variety of different types. Having a regular wireless keyboard + mouse (like those cheap Logitech ones) is helpful if you want to do more complicated things than watch media.
  • Starting with a stock Plasma desktop, I turn up the desktop icon size and make the bar taller, so it’s easier to click on things accurately. There’s also an alternative launcher menu in Plasma that goes fullscreen (instead of the start menu-style default).
  • Next I make desktop shortcuts for the main apps/services I use. For Jellyfin I make a shortcut to the client, for commercial streaming services I make URL shortcuts that open in the default browser. I also like to set the desktop wallpaper to a solid colour.
  • In Plasma’s system settings, make a window rule for the default browser to make it open in fullscreen. If you need, you can do the same for other programs (my Jellyfin client has its own setting, so this isn’t needed).

I use an x86 machine for this to avoid having to deal with getting widevine working for browser streaming. I use Librewolf as my browser and it works well. I know with some commercial streaming services there are video quality restrictions when watching through a browser on Linux, but that can’t be avoided without using a locked-down platform anyway. These days I’m mostly using Jellyfin and it works great.

I used to really want the “polished” HTPC UI, but over time (and after yet another botched Ubuntu version upgrade), I realised that this setup gets you 90% there with way less hassle, and the last 10% is just aesthetics. Using a common, well-supported desktop environment makes troubleshooting a lot easier too.

anzo@programming.dev on 20 Jun 00:25 collapse

This is entirely different approach, sorry. Fwiw, I bought a wireless (2.4Ghz) keyboard that has a trackpad, and just use a zoomed-in KDE Plasma. Far from the eye candy of a kiosk, but with some customization you may achieve satisfaction (: