Blogs and forums back then when I looked it up.
Can’t remember exactly where (since it’s been a long time ago), but I’m sure more than someone claimed it.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jan 10:58
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Are there real advantages to using either MySQL or MariaDB instead of PostgreSQL?
illusionist@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jan 11:06
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Depends on the task but for general usage there is no big difference. You would choose one over the other if you need one for work.
roguelazer@lemmy.world
on 11 Jan 11:55
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MySQL often has moderately higher performance (particularly for workloads where you want your data clustered by PK, which is how InnoDB is natively structured) and its replication system is much more flexible than either of PostgreSQL’s. I like Percona personally, but MariaDB is fine too.
Postgres with correct fillfactor, it doesn’t create new pages and works very fast.
Replication in MySQL always sucked ass, only received synchronous replication in some new edition, and that also didn’t sound great.
Postgres has logstream and logical replication, both of them can be set to various levels of synchronicity, and logical replication is configurable at least as well as MySQL is in terms of which data is sent.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jan 12:16
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No. But there are a number of advantages of using PostgreSQL over the others.
Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jan 12:26
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Yeah,
I did a speed test comparison between Oracle MySQL and MariaDB MySQL,
MariaDB is about 10 times faster.
FYI: When Oracle bought MySQL a lot of developers left and created MariaDB, so the brains behind the project moved, and in the meantime Oracle did a great job of fucking things up.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jan 12:27
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That’s not what I asked. I asked about a comparison of both of them to PostgreSQL.
Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jan 12:33
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Oh misread my bad,
not much experience with PostgreSQL
Operating and securing Postgres is a steeper learning curve. MariaDB is more forgiving for best-effort shoestring setups without compensating scalability for it.
As a dev I’m agnostic, as an owner and computer scientiest I prefer Postgres, as a sysadmin or *Ops I will put my hand up for MariaDB any day if I’ll be on call or maintain deployments.
Cause that one is absolute shit, very difficult to maintain, and requires lots of config changes and even replicas can disconnect when something’s not 100% ok.
I will take Postgres over any other DB any day of the week.
Oh so it’s a greed thing, but not quite a Nestlé level of evil thing, then. Meh.
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jan 13:53
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You clearly haven’t tried using one of there services APIs.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jan 16:29
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I mean, Nestlé killed hundreds of thousands in impoverished countries. I think the Oracle service APIs can’t be that bad, though I’m sure they would be if it made Larry Ellison $50.
They ware widely regarded as among the most villainous companies in history along with DeBeers and the East India Trading Company. Among their more infamous crimes against humanity include bribing the leaders of developing nations to sign over water rights to aquifers their people are using, which they take completely for bottling, destroying the local ecosystem and population. When the malnourished mothers can’t produce milk to feed their babies, they say things like “use our baby formula instead then, which is much healthier than natural milk”.
If there’s not already a Behind he Bastards on them, someone could make a whole podcast just on their villainy.
I don’t know the actual reason, but I personally get a bad vibe every time I see the logo because usually it means I’m trying to install or fix some java bullshit, which never goes well.
Hatred of Oracle predates “cancelling” by decades. Oracle is and has always been one of, if not the most disgusting and vicious companies in tech. They kill everything they touch.
If you need a political component, then Oracle = Larry Ellison, but Oracle hate predates and supercedes the American political slide into fascism.
I was at a party about fifteen years ago. A guy introduced himself and we gabbed for a few minutes. Then he asked what I do for work (IT sysadmin at the time) and I told him and asked the same. He said he was in sales for a tech company. I asked which one, and he stepped close and whispered, “Oracle.” I could see he was prepared for me to bring the hate. He saved himself when he told me he was actually leaving for a gig at Dell. Later, I learned from the host that he made that part about leaving up because he felt bad. I later learned he went to work for Nutanix. Poor guy hated his own employer, and it was obvious.
Nutanix…oof. I deal with them every day. It isn’t their fault their shit can’t handle what we do, but it is their sales folk that constantly lie and misrepresent.
Wanna know one of rhe big reasons people hate Oracle so much? It’s their sales guys. They are awful. If that guy went from Oracle to Nutanix, that tells me that I cannot trust a single syllable out of their mouth.
I’m sorry I don’t follow this company’s actions as closely as you do. I can’t even remember the last time I used Oracle-branded software. (Unless you count MySQL, which I’ve never had an issue with. It just works.)
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jan 14:54
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PostgreSQL went in a different direction, started with best support of the SQL standard, then optimized everything to make it fast.
Postgres has/had the best SQL standard support out of every server, open-source or not.
MySQL was at the other end, only started catching up after Oracle bought it.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone
on 11 Jan 22:04
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afaik MariaDB is the open source version of MySQL
Jajcus@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jan 03:18
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That is an insult to PostgreSQL.
PostgreSQL was fully featured relational database even before it implemented SQL. It started much earlier tha MySQL.
And MySQL didn’t have proper transactions or data integrity constraints (including foreign keys) for long time, while calling itself an ‘SQL database’.
Thank you, I never had time to read up on its history when I was busy smashing out sites on stupid deadlines with constant last minute changes and morons for project managers.
SQLite is underrated. I’ve used it for high traffic systems with no issues. If your system has a large number of readers and a small number of writers, it performs very well. It’s not as good for high-concurrency write-heavy use cases, but that’s not common (most apps read far more than they write).
My use case was a DB that was created during the build process, then read on every page load.
One of SQLite’s recommended use cases is as an alternate to proprietary binary formats: sqlite.org/appfileformat.html. Programs often store data in binary files for performance, but you get a lot of the same functionality included with SQLite (fast random access, concurrent usage, atomicity, updates that don’t need to rewrite the whole file, etc) without having to implement a file format yourself.
I’m not sure if this is still the case, but Facebook’a HHVM used to store the compiled bytecode for the whole site in a single SQLite database: docs.hhvm.com/docs/hhvm/…/repo-authoritative/. Every pageload loaded the bytecode for all required files from the DB.
MariaDB is not always a drop-in replacement. There’s several features that MySQL has that MariaDB doesn’t, especially related to the optimizer (for some types of queries, MySQL will give you a more optimized execution plan compared to MariaDB). It’s also missing some newer data types, like JSON (which indexes the individual fields in JSON objects to make filtering on them more efficient).
MariaDB and MySQL are both fine. Even though MySQL doesn’t receive as much development any more, it doesn’t really need it. It works fine. If you want a better database system, switch to PostgreSQL, not MariaDB.
Oracle sees itself as an activist organization, one whose goal is the advancement of the Israeli colonization project. Safra Catz, the company’s Israeli-American CEO, bluntly explained that any employees uncomfortable with supporting a genocide should simply quit. “We are not flexible regarding our mission, and our commitment to Israel is second to none” (source)
Hmm, MySQL or PostgreSQL—how will we ever decide which one to pick.
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MariaDB >>>
I’ve been using it since ever on my rpi because they say it’s easier on resources
Who are “they”?
We use MariaDB at work but I don’t know why it was originally chosen over PostgreSQL, as that was before my time.
Blogs and forums back then when I looked it up.
Can’t remember exactly where (since it’s been a long time ago), but I’m sure more than someone claimed it.
Are there real advantages to using either MySQL or MariaDB instead of PostgreSQL?
Depends on the task but for general usage there is no big difference. You would choose one over the other if you need one for work.
MySQL often has moderately higher performance (particularly for workloads where you want your data clustered by PK, which is how InnoDB is natively structured) and its replication system is much more flexible than either of PostgreSQL’s. I like Percona personally, but MariaDB is fine too.
Is it true?
Postgres with correct fillfactor, it doesn’t create new pages and works very fast.
Replication in MySQL always sucked ass, only received synchronous replication in some new edition, and that also didn’t sound great.
Postgres has logstream and logical replication, both of them can be set to various levels of synchronicity, and logical replication is configurable at least as well as MySQL is in terms of which data is sent.
No. But there are a number of advantages of using PostgreSQL over the others.
Yeah,
I did a speed test comparison between Oracle MySQL and MariaDB MySQL,
MariaDB is about 10 times faster.
FYI: When Oracle bought MySQL a lot of developers left and created MariaDB, so the brains behind the project moved, and in the meantime Oracle did a great job of fucking things up.
That’s not what I asked. I asked about a comparison of both of them to PostgreSQL.
Oh misread my bad,
not much experience with PostgreSQL
Operating and securing Postgres is a steeper learning curve. MariaDB is more forgiving for best-effort shoestring setups without compensating scalability for it.
As a dev I’m agnostic, as an owner and computer scientiest I prefer Postgres, as a sysadmin or *Ops I will put my hand up for MariaDB any day if I’ll be on call or maintain deployments.
Is Maria that much better than MySQL?
Cause that one is absolute shit, very difficult to maintain, and requires lots of config changes and even replicas can disconnect when something’s not 100% ok.
I will take Postgres over any other DB any day of the week.
MariaDB is MySQL’s fork, initiated by the main developers, so…
Does that mean it’s still an utter borderline unusable shit?
I’d say ti’s a little bit better.
Maybe that once every 2 years when you upgrade to major version it does it automatically? You save 15 mins every 2 years?
If you’re constrained by resources (CPU/RAM).
There’s a reason most web hosts usually have mariadb and not postgres.
But but but, it has the word “my” in it
/s
Both MySQL and MariaDb are named after the developer’s daughters.
Apache Phoenix: allow me to introduce myself
Who?
Apache Phoenix
Looks great for my blog!
MySQL belongs to Oracle. That’s literally all you need to.know in order to avoid it.
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When they bought Sun, they:
Sun was such a useful contributor to the ecosystem and they fucking trashed absolutely everything. It’s a miracle that so much stuff could be saved.
Oracle triggered a fork bomb.
You forgot what they did to Java, plus they sued Google for using Java API.
and OpenOffice and VirtualBox
reddit.com/…/whats_with_the_stigma_behind_oracle/
Oh so it’s a greed thing, but not quite a Nestlé level of evil thing, then. Meh.
You clearly haven’t tried using one of there services APIs.
I mean, Nestlé killed hundreds of thousands in impoverished countries. I think the Oracle service APIs can’t be that bad, though I’m sure they would be if it made Larry Ellison $50.
Can you elaborate on Nestlé?
I know they’re shit and avoid anything Nes* but am unaware of actual data.
They ware widely regarded as among the most villainous companies in history along with DeBeers and the East India Trading Company. Among their more infamous crimes against humanity include bribing the leaders of developing nations to sign over water rights to aquifers their people are using, which they take completely for bottling, destroying the local ecosystem and population. When the malnourished mothers can’t produce milk to feed their babies, they say things like “use our baby formula instead then, which is much healthier than natural milk”. If there’s not already a Behind he Bastards on them, someone could make a whole podcast just on their villainy.
Only due to lack of capability, not desire.
I don’t know the actual reason, but I personally get a bad vibe every time I see the logo because usually it means I’m trying to install or fix some java bullshit, which never goes well.
Here’s a few.
Hatred of Oracle predates “cancelling” by decades. Oracle is and has always been one of, if not the most disgusting and vicious companies in tech. They kill everything they touch.
If you need a political component, then Oracle = Larry Ellison, but Oracle hate predates and supercedes the American political slide into fascism.
I was at a party about fifteen years ago. A guy introduced himself and we gabbed for a few minutes. Then he asked what I do for work (IT sysadmin at the time) and I told him and asked the same. He said he was in sales for a tech company. I asked which one, and he stepped close and whispered, “Oracle.” I could see he was prepared for me to bring the hate. He saved himself when he told me he was actually leaving for a gig at Dell. Later, I learned from the host that he made that part about leaving up because he felt bad. I later learned he went to work for Nutanix. Poor guy hated his own employer, and it was obvious.
Nutanix…oof. I deal with them every day. It isn’t their fault their shit can’t handle what we do, but it is their sales folk that constantly lie and misrepresent.
Wanna know one of rhe big reasons people hate Oracle so much? It’s their sales guys. They are awful. If that guy went from Oracle to Nutanix, that tells me that I cannot trust a single syllable out of their mouth.
Lol! I’m glad you picked on that. I won’t badmouth them, but the user experience does that for them. That guy from the party must hate himself, haha
Sales? No, their sales department is second to their legal department in hate.
So… your average sales folk?
Why would you keep track? Can’t form your own opinions?!
And what the fuck hasn’t Oracle done? Like, seriously, they’ve been a known bad actor for literally decades now…
I’m sorry I don’t follow this company’s actions as closely as you do. I can’t even remember the last time I used Oracle-branded software. (Unless you count MySQL, which I’ve never had an issue with. It just works.)
“Lets use Oracle DB for that.”
Statements made by the utterly deranged.
Have you been living under a rock? Think 2010 for starters…
People have hated Oracle for decades.
how did the joke go? “one rich asshole called larry ellison”?
what’s the joke part?
It spells Oracle.
Isn’t that the point of Postgresql. It’s basically an open source version of MySQL.
I’m sure there are some proprietary nonsense that MySQL has, but I’ve never needed it in 17 years
Postgres is basically an open source version of Oracle DB. Much more featureful than MySQL. I believe Oracle bought MySQL just to kill it.
MySQL always sucked ass.
PostgreSQL went in a different direction, started with best support of the SQL standard, then optimized everything to make it fast.
Postgres has/had the best SQL standard support out of every server, open-source or not.
MySQL was at the other end, only started catching up after Oracle bought it.
afaik MariaDB is the open source version of MySQL
That is an insult to PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL was fully featured relational database even before it implemented SQL. It started much earlier tha MySQL.
And MySQL didn’t have proper transactions or data integrity constraints (including foreign keys) for long time, while calling itself an ‘SQL database’.
Thank you, I never had time to read up on its history when I was busy smashing out sites on stupid deadlines with constant last minute changes and morons for project managers.
MariaDB
Stop using mysql, you have postgres.
And mariaSQL
Hell, even SQLite is good enough for most small projects.
SQLite is underrated. I’ve used it for high traffic systems with no issues. If your system has a large number of readers and a small number of writers, it performs very well. It’s not as good for high-concurrency write-heavy use cases, but that’s not common (most apps read far more than they write).
My use case was a DB that was created during the build process, then read on every page load.
Wow, I never thought about storing build data in an SQLite file. That’s quite clever.
One of SQLite’s recommended use cases is as an alternate to proprietary binary formats: sqlite.org/appfileformat.html. Programs often store data in binary files for performance, but you get a lot of the same functionality included with SQLite (fast random access, concurrent usage, atomicity, updates that don’t need to rewrite the whole file, etc) without having to implement a file format yourself.
I’m not sure if this is still the case, but Facebook’a HHVM used to store the compiled bytecode for the whole site in a single SQLite database: docs.hhvm.com/docs/hhvm/…/repo-authoritative/. Every pageload loaded the bytecode for all required files from the DB.
Fascinating read, I should definitely also make way more use of sqlite for little side projects.
Thanks for the link!
They also have a (one-time fee) encryption extension.
FWIW mariadb was bought by a private equity firm in 2024
Oh no… it was the easy solution for Wordpress and other plug and play self hosted services .
The corporation was bought by k1 capital. The foundation and therefore the open source version will always be free
I didn’t know this was ever in question?
Also stop calling it “my sequel”
Why?
Sequel is Microsoft. S-Q-L is Linux.
Microsoft’s is “squeal”. Like a pig. When you get the bill.
That’s why I moved to MSSQL
/s
MariaDB is not always a drop-in replacement. There’s several features that MySQL has that MariaDB doesn’t, especially related to the optimizer (for some types of queries, MySQL will give you a more optimized execution plan compared to MariaDB). It’s also missing some newer data types, like JSON (which indexes the individual fields in JSON objects to make filtering on them more efficient).
MariaDB and MySQL are both fine. Even though MySQL doesn’t receive as much development any more, it doesn’t really need it. It works fine. If you want a better database system, switch to PostgreSQL, not MariaDB.
Hmm, MySQL or PostgreSQL—how will we ever decide which one to pick.
wow, I didn’t need any more reasons not to support Oracle but thanks anyway
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Dude. You never finish.
Why would anyone ever choose mysql over postgres?
MySQL has been the “default” choice for a long time for PHP programmers. I don’t know why.
LAMP indeed
We need LAPP . Stat!
Tutorials mostly.
It used to be free with less of a barrier to entry than postgres
If you don’t want to use postgresql for some obscure reason use MariaDB real open source MySQL drop in replacement.
What rock do you live under if you’re using MySQL over MariaDB?
Older people about to return to programming, and most of the online tutorials they have are about 20 years old, having no idea an alternative exists.
What year is this? No one should be using Mysql since MariaDB came about.
when is Oracle gonna go Broadcom mode on MySQL, still waiting for the moment 🍿
Didn’t Postgresql effectively win the database wars? Why use anything else?
Postgres or sqlite are the only ones I ever consider nowadays.
See also duckdb and clickhouse for OLAP of course.
If only the upgrade process wasn’t so annoying with postgres…
What do you mean?
Stop DB, run pg_upgrade, start it, win?
Or set up logical replication into newer version, wait for sync, test use-cases, switch write?
Where do you get better experience?
Perhaps MariaDB is a better choice.
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No one should be using MySQL since 2010.
Clearly you can’t use MySQL because it isn’t webscale.
Wamp anyone? (I think thats what its called, im at work and cant check my pc) Or am i the odd one out.
In case you are Czech, there is a translation at root.cz/…/prestante-uz-pouzivat-mysql-neni-to-sku…
Glad to see more translations show up!