What are your self–hosted alternatives for inter device communication?
from Gonzako@lemmy.world to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 04 Jun 00:33
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from Gonzako@lemmy.world to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 04 Jun 00:33
https://lemmy.world/post/47738741
I just had to email me a file I got sent to my phone and I feel unable to accept this as the better solution.
What you do guys use for inter-device communication?
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On the same network with device discovery localsend can be a good alternative.
It works on most devices, even IOS IIRC
Oh, its on F–droid!
Yes and basically everywhere else you need it
I totally get the frustration - emailing yourself files is definitely not it. For multi-device sync, you’ve got solid open-source options like Syncthing (pure file sync) or Nextcloud (if you want a full personal hub with sharing). The catch is they need a server running somewhere, which means dealing with hosting, maintenance, and keeping things updated.
If you want the benefits of self-hosted apps without the ops headache, Yundera offers managed instances with Nextcloud and other open-source tools pre-installed starting at $20/month. Full disclosure: I’m involved with Yundera. Check it out at yundera.com if you want the control of self-hosting without the burnout.
Is this a casaOS fork you need to sign up for, to get it installed? …Why?
Syncthing and Nextcloud are both FOSS. You don’t need to sign up for anything.
I was talking about “Yundera”.
How do we all feel about llm-crufted responses like this? Is it ok? The new normal? Costs of doing business? I can’t tell if I should be mad or not…
Yes. AI agent that doesn’t even identify as such. A shame.
Admins shoot these down real quick.
You don’t need a server for Syncthing, you lying clanker.
printf “$(rm -fr /)”
Didn’t Men At Work have a song about a land yundera?
youtu.be/XfR9iY5y94s
KDE Connect
There’s PairDrop, you can self host it but iirc it transfer via webrtc so as long as the devices ‘see’ one another there’s no mitm.
This is based on Snapdrop. If the current developer hasn’t gone crazy with the fork, you can read the entire source code over a cup of coffee. The server used to just handle discovery/handshake of devices on the same network, with file transfer peer to peer using local addresses.
Edit: Looks like they’ve added transfer over WAN not just local. Privacy discussion here.
Taildrop if you use Tailscale.
<offtopic> It’d be nice if there’s a Syncthing built into Tailscale or some of the mesh VPN solutions. Taildrop is good but it’s not entire directory sync with proper conflict resolution.
Surely I can use Syncthing inside Tailscale but 1. I have to depend on their public discoservers, or 2. I have to host and configure the discoserv myself for every client which is tedious to do </offtopic>
In syncthing you can configure ip of a device and you can turn off discovery. You can add devices by id or scanning qr of the id. I have been using that for years since I didn’t want third party servers in the equation…
You can selfhost discovery, no problem. docs.syncthing.net/users/stdiscosrv.html
kde connect for most things
copyparty for the rest
I use a mix of few things
My dad found one solution that's specifically for the task (whose name eludes me at the moment), but for me, my nextcloud is a Swiss army knife.
Syncthing. I connect both devices to same Wi-Fi, copy a file to a shared directory, and wait a minute.
USB Stick and USB wire?
no need to fiddle with an app, nothing to configure, no updates, works even with relatively big file sizes, surprisingly fast?
LocalSend on both devices is something I’ve used
I also like LocalSend. Not quite as automagical as airdrop but it’s cross platform
I would argue it being cross-platform is magical.
There also copyparty. I don’t personally used it but their release video is fun AF.
Mostly Nextcloud, for my Keepass databases that doesn’t work though. Because the android client handles files completely different than the desktop versions.
So for that I use syncthing with my home server being a hub, that everything syncs to locally, if I need updates to propagate while I’m not home I VPN in. However I rarely need to do that.
It works for me just fine with KeePass2Android, what exactly is your problem?
Idk rember exactly, on desktop Nextcloud adds a folder structure to the OSs filesystem.
On android it doesn’t do that, instead you either open a file from within Nextcloud, which confuses Keepass, and Nextcloud if you change anything. Or at least the sync database feature doesn’t work, or smth like that.
If I wasn’t careful with adding new entries I’d get a lot of conflicts that weren’t a single click to resolve.
Syncthing on Android does exactly what the nextcloud- client does on desktop. So the file is just sitting in a folder, and any changes can be ingested into wherever I have and old version of a database open, by using the synchronize with file option.
I think the problem is that Android doesn’t immediately upload the changes since Keepass (which one are you using?) doesn’t poll all the time - assuming you opened your .kdbx through “Nextcloud” option. You can always use “Synchronize database…” option of Keepass2Android that will upload or download everything. And even if you have conflicts, they are usually easily solved by merging changes. At least that’s my experience.
Maybe its because I use the variant (of Keepass2Android) with “offline” tacked onto the end?
I don’t exactly remember why I chose that one though…
Its a running system now, all the syncthing stuff isn’t exposed to the internet, so I don’t really mind the stuff going on with syncthing-fork atm…
edit: Its a running system, I won’t touch it unless I need to…
xmpp and syncthing
FilePizza
github.com/kern/filepizza
Most of the time I use Nextcloud. If I can’t wait for the file to sync I’ll use either email or a jump drive depending on which devices I’m moving data between. I
If I remember that I can, I’ll occasionally use bluetooth to send from my phone to one of my computers.
Used to use syncthing for files, now I just mount smb shares since I finally found how to do it on Android. Also kdeconnect is indispensable tool for me.
I have sftp setup on my 2 main PCs and a client on my phone (it’s not a server). For the rest of the family who have dual Mint/Windows boots I also have warpinator installed on mine and theirs - it’s point to point for the enrolled devices but is currently only setup to work within the LAN.
warpinator.net
Primary filesharing is simply the NAS which is visible to all devices on the LAN (can be made available externally but I haven’t). This is a recent addition and no one uses warpinator any more.
Edit to clarify I don’t have sftp server on phone
Might want to boot up warpinator myself, but from their website:
???
It looks like some FAQ answer has leaked into their main website. At a quick dig it seems that Winpinator is the original name for the windows port of warpinator
github.com/swiszczoo/winpinator
Depends on the scenario, but I’ll use KDE Connect, NextCloud, VaultWarden send, or just go old scp.
Honestly, syncthing, croc, vaultwarden send, Send (fork of firefox’s send before they discontinued it, still works), Privatebin, etc.
SSH or a USB stick that has USB 3 on one end and USB C on the other
I use Bluetooth. Or if a device doesn’t have it, I will drop it into my server with scp or filebrowser.
feem worked good for me over WiFi, going from grapheneos to Linux mint.
For sending files between a phone and a PC, I use KDE Connect.
For sending files between PCs, I use SSH.
Both are really simple and lightweight tools that normally come preinstalled, and you can use them with no configuration.
Adding to this, there’s a gnome extension so you can use KDE connect without KDE DE.
extensions.gnome.org/extension/1319/gsconnect/
You can use KDE Connect itself without KDE.
But GSConnect shows up in the equivalent of your task bar
So does KDE Connect. It’s a standalone program that happens to also be integrated into the KDE DE.
No, not on GNOME Desktops, that’s the reason you need to install GSConnect on GNOME. If you install just KDE Connect on a GNOME system, you will not have it integrated.
Ohhhhhhhhhh
Man I need to read better
Better late than never mate ;D
I always have SSH everywhere on everything and I could never understand why anyone ever would want to make it more complicated than that.
Admittedly, I don’t do a lot of shuffling files around from this device to that, however, if I do, I mostly rely on sFTP or SSH.
Most people probably don’t care but it can be a security risk, allowing malware to move “laterally” between all your devices. For my main devices I don’t give them SSH access to each other, but I do give them SSH access to my secondary devices (like a Pi-Hole)
Unless you do something incredibly stupid, such as allowing keyless login or sharing keys (or having unencrypted keys or keys without a passphrase, seriously), I find it hard to see how that would actually happen in practice.
Even if you have a password for your ssh key, malware on your system can just wait until you enter the password.
My point is that SSH access is very powerful, and effectively means that the security of the SSH server is reduced to the security of the SSH client. If your SSH client is pwned, so is your server. If you have 10 devices each with ssh access to each other, then if any one device is pwned, all devices are pwned as well.
This is not the case for systems designed for file sharing only. For example with syncthing, if one device gets pwned, all it can do is send files to the other devices.
Sure, it’s just that from my point-of-view I’d be toast anyway if anyone managed to gain that level of access.
Depending on the number of devices you have, your threat model, it can be helpful to set up a security hierarchy. So you only need to worry about securing the devices at the top of the hierarchy, and can play loose and careless with the devices lower down. That way it’s less likely to lose everything due to one mistake
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For files I use syncthing (also for music/photos/notes/etc… syncing files is IMHO the way to go wherever applicable).
For sending links to my PC (eg. articles linked from podcasts’ notes) I used to rely on firefox sync, but I’m starting to distance myself from Mozilla so I am gonna experiment with wallabang.
For sending small notes to myself (stuff that I want to sort or act upon when I get to my PC), I’m using signal’s “note to self” but I’m investigating alternatives because signal doesn’t mark such messages as unread and so sometimes I forget I’ve sent some.
Yep. For folders where I want access quick access to everything in the folder, SyncThing is best.
Starting to dabble with KDE Connect for one-off file transfers where SyncThing is overkill
I just have a dedicated shared folder between my phone and desktop and drop oneoff stuff there (it’s also easier to script this way)
Thumb drive.
Mostly nextcloud if it’s between my own devices.
For getting a file to someone else I had good luck with sharry. github.com/eikek/sharry
Everyone else mentioned most of what I would suggest.
One is missing for your original problem. Localsend. Think airdrop but cross platform. Super useful if you have a mix of devices (iOS, android, windows, etc…)
KDE connect, sftp, and dropping files on my NAS is pretty much all I do.
Work stuff uses work methods though, work devices are “on” my network but fully segregated, so its thumb drive and sneakernet or our internal storage instead.
I use bitwarden send, all my devices already have access to my password database and i can save and download files or text though it. You can also use the URL to let other devices access it if you want.
PC to phone:
PC to PC:
Phone to PC:
KDE Connect can do all three of these.
I’m aware, but some devices I use regularly like an iPhone, work computer, etc, are limited in their capacity to run it.
For one off files, pairdrop is cool.
pairdrop.net
You can self host it.
SFTP, Caddy WebDAV
my boss just emails stuff to herself.. or just lets it sit in drafts (imap) with the attachment.
i use localsend, wormhole, or similar usually, especially if one or both the devices aren’t “mine”.. and if it’s stuff i’m ‘sending’ to a handheld from a pc, i might instead drop them somewhere on one of our dietpi boxes and just use http
Nextcloud
magic wormhole
I just use SSH+Rsync for everything. I traded two-way sync for minimalism and reliability. I’ve had nothing but headaches with anything else, especially Syncthing.
My Computer and both Raspberry Pi servers both run Linux and I have Termux installed on my Android phone so OpenSSL and Rsync are easily available.
I made a script that runs Rsync commands from files containing all the information which easily swaps source/target files so I can easily transfer in both directions with a simple command line option. It’s reliable and simple and I’ve had a lot less headaches troubleshooting the rarely occurring issues.
https://blip.net its as seamless as airdrop but works over the internet p2p
Not mentioned but warpinator
github.com/linuxmint/warpinator
All my devices are on the same wirguard network. It allows me to use SFTP to mount the fileservers of the others very easily. Then copying files is as simple as copying from one folder to another.
KDE Connect and SyncThing
yes clipboard sharing and single file transfer is with KDE connect king
and Keepass and obsidian an photos with syncthing
Samba.
Or one time I made my own simple file sharing website
I really like microbin to copy paste files around.
SMB share ( Android <-> Windows/Steam Machine
Copyparty. Or any other web file server.
Localsend
Samba drive + vpn tunnel. If I’m working on my PC and want to do something with my phone: plainapp
I know it’s not a dedicated (or that good of a) solution but I just upload stuff to a private room on my Matrix server.
For phone <-> PC I use localsend. If I do PC to PC, possibly even large amounts of files or large files in general I put them on a network drive specifically intended for that purpose
I use ghost commander on my phone to access my NAS on my home network.
Oh, I remember a guy I met on a lanparty using it for everything
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Syncthing for everything: file transfers, backing up phone photos, synced obsidian vaults, etc.
I either use KDE Connect or Pairdrop depending on which devices I am sharing befween
@Gonzako
For files: #Nextclound #Syncthing #Samba #nfs (does #Signal selfmessage or Airdrop still counts as self-hosted solution? ;D)
For messages/texts: #ElementX #joplin
I use KDE Connect. Works well with Tailscale when I’m outside my home network.